Shotgun: 3" 12 gauge pump action. Whatever you brand and model you like best. 3-1/2" is not necessary. Nate likes the Mossberg 500. Remington 870 is the most popular pump ever made. You are look for something that feels like it fits. Try shouldering the gun with your eyes closed and see how well the gun is naturally aligned with your eye when you open them.
To save money you can buy the shotgun used. They don't wear out but they can be mistreated. $300 used, $500 new.
For the rifle there are lots of good choices. Can't go wrong with Savage. There are others that have an accuracy guarantee. Lower end, you can buy a savage edge, or a Ruger American. Throw away the scope and rings that come in the package (or sell them) and buy as much scope and rings as you can afford. Say 500-600 for the rifle and at least 400 for scope and rings.
The new Rem 783 looks like it is built to compete with the Ruger American and Savage Edge. MSRP is $450, you should be able to buy a Savage 110 for that.
To my way of thinking a rifle isn't defensive, although they can be. If you want it to defend your home, a semi auto, lever action or pump action, in that order would be best. With the budget you are working with, I'd give some thought to the lever action guns. I like Marlin better than winchester but both are good. I guess the 30-30 is about the most common rifle cartrage in a lever gun, and at least around here you can still get them half way cheap and ammo is avialable. I'd give some thought to the 44 mag in a lever gun too. It holds more rounds, throws a plenty big chunck of lead and can kill anything you want to hunt out to about 150 yards. THe guns are short and easy to use in a house, compared to a bolt action gun. Plus you can outfit the gun with a ghost ring and fiber optic sight for good combat shooting and hunting.
I'd buy a lever gun used. As long as its clean and the barrel is in good shape it will do great for you.
You can't go wrong with a mossburg 500 pump gun. The Rem 870 is good too but it costs a little more. Get the one you like best.
I did a gunsamerica search and you can get a good levergun and a moss500 for between $900 to $1,100 depending on what you want. That leaves $400 to $500 for cleaning kits and ammo. I'd spend all I could to get as much ammo as I could get my hands on, and/or get some reloading equip.
Hard to go wrong with one of these on the shotgun front. It's basically a 870 clone, but IMHO better made. Comes with a nice set of ghost ring sights. for $219 you can't beat it. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-982
If the panic market ever dies down you could get a used Mossberg 500, a bare-bones entry level AR-15 carbine and starter ammo and cleaning stuff for $1500. Not so much right now.
Now you can get a shotgun and bolt gun. I like the Mossberg shotgun and budget Savage bolt rifles. Could probably find one on sale with a scope combo deal good enough for hunting small to medium game out to 200yds.
As for the levergun, that is a good choice if ranges will be short. Then the scope can be eliminated.
As Res said, a rifle is for offense, not defense. Not good in an urban environment as a rifle round will go through the wall, through the neighbors house, and kill someone two houses over.
Stay away from the Remington 870. Fit and finish have gone to shit. Get the mossberg 500 or the chinese one Luke linked. Its significantly nicer than the remington.
Rifles are offensive weapons. If you're really looking for defense I would get a handgun. I recommend a DA/SA with a decocker or a wheelgun in .357 mag. For home defense.. the taurus pt100 or pt101 in .40 is really hard to beat. Its not what folks want for Concealed Carry.. but its big, heavy, reliable, and you can hit someone with it and probably kill them. I don't mean shoot. I mean actually hit them with it.. and it will probably kill them. its that heavy.
I love Res' lever gun recommendations. I have a winchester 64 in .44 mag. Its a model 94AE. Sweet... Handy. Downright useful.
If you can find an SU-16c... buy that. You can still get them relatively cheap.
Thanks for all the recommendations. I wanted to eliminate hours of googling trying to figure out what to get. I will be getting either the Hawk 982 or Mossberg500, a levergun and a handgun.
One final question and I'll leave ya'll alone: My brother has a SIG Sauer 1911 he would probably sell me. Good gun?
This little pistol has a lot of style. And it really was made in the teens of last century?
I can't wait to read what you have to say about this gun. How come modern pistols don't look this stylish? They just look so spare and kind of chunky/boxy.
I just keep thinking that there is a BIG catch here, since I like this gun. Yes, I read the post, but you are a tricky little devil.
Call me a Heretic. Call me an infidel. Call me uninformed. Call me ignorant.
Scotch, Whiskey, Bourbon, I know there are legal definitions for how long they need to age in barrels and such but I never appreciated the difference.
A few weeks ago, on my wife's birthday I took her and her twin out, we hit a few bars and the best drink I had a Kentucky Sour. It was made with bourbon. I still want to go back for more.
At home I usually keep between 0-1 bottles of hootch. Yesterday morning it was Glenlivet, a fine Scotch and on my way home I added a bottle of Makers Mark 46 to the collection.
My reasoning, I was going to make the comparison easy, since I fully expected 1 to outshine the other.
Call me a heathen, call me a Yankee, but other than the 46 being sweeter, I failed to see much of a difference.
I think I'll stand on being agnostic on this topic.
And it really was made in the teens of last century?
The 1911 model was adopted in 1911. But they have been made continuously ever since. If you are talking about a stylish gun, it is probably a lot newer.
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My step sister is about 5'3" and 105 lbs. But she lives in Texas, has a conceal and carry permit and keeps a pink 38 in her purse.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't mind, I'm going to re-post my comment here. Seems appropriate.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to buy my first two guns this week. I plan on buying a shotgun and a rifle. Any suggestions would be appreciated. $1000 - $1500 budget.
Lenny,
ReplyDeleteIs that your total budget or per gun? Also what do you want the guns to do? Is this for deffense or hunting or an all around bug out weapon?
No doubt you'll get a bunch of different thoughts from this crew, but what we'll tell you depends on what you're wanting to do with the guns.
They would be for home defense, mostly, but also for hunting. That is the total budget. Is that unrealistic?
ReplyDeleteShotgun:
ReplyDelete3" 12 gauge pump action. Whatever you brand and model you like best. 3-1/2" is not necessary. Nate likes the Mossberg 500. Remington 870 is the most popular pump ever made. You are look for something that feels like it fits. Try shouldering the gun with your eyes closed and see how well the gun is naturally aligned with your eye when you open them.
To save money you can buy the shotgun used. They don't wear out but they can be mistreated. $300 used, $500 new.
For the rifle there are lots of good choices. Can't go wrong with Savage. There are others that have an accuracy guarantee. Lower end, you can buy a savage edge, or a Ruger American. Throw away the scope and rings that come in the package (or sell them) and buy as much scope and rings as you can afford. Say 500-600 for the rifle and at least 400 for scope and rings.
Do not buy: Remington 710 or 770.
ReplyDeleteThe new Rem 783 looks like it is built to compete with the Ruger American and Savage Edge. MSRP is $450, you should be able to buy a Savage 110 for that.
That is the total budget. Is that unrealistic?
ReplyDeleteNo you can do it for that.
To my way of thinking a rifle isn't defensive, although they can be. If you want it to defend your home, a semi auto, lever action or pump action, in that order would be best. With the budget you are working with, I'd give some thought to the lever action guns. I like Marlin better than winchester but both are good. I guess the 30-30 is about the most common rifle cartrage in a lever gun, and at least around here you can still get them half way cheap and ammo is avialable. I'd give some thought to the 44 mag in a lever gun too. It holds more rounds, throws a plenty big chunck of lead and can kill anything you want to hunt out to about 150 yards. THe guns are short and easy to use in a house, compared to a bolt action gun. Plus you can outfit the gun with a ghost ring and fiber optic sight for good combat shooting and hunting.
I'd buy a lever gun used. As long as its clean and the barrel is in good shape it will do great for you.
You can't go wrong with a mossburg 500 pump gun. The Rem 870 is good too but it costs a little more. Get the one you like best.
I did a gunsamerica search and you can get a good levergun and a moss500 for between $900 to $1,100 depending on what you want. That leaves $400 to $500 for cleaning kits and ammo. I'd spend all I could to get as much ammo as I could get my hands on, and/or get some reloading equip.
ReplyDeleteHard to go wrong with one of these on the shotgun front. It's basically a 870 clone, but IMHO better made. Comes with a nice set of ghost ring sights. for $219 you can't beat it. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/GUN-982
ReplyDeleteIf the panic market ever dies down you could get a used Mossberg 500, a bare-bones entry level AR-15 carbine and starter ammo and cleaning stuff for $1500. Not so much right now.
ReplyDeleteNow you can get a shotgun and bolt gun. I like the Mossberg shotgun and budget Savage bolt rifles. Could probably find one on sale with a scope combo deal good enough for hunting small to medium game out to 200yds.
As for the levergun, that is a good choice if ranges will be short. Then the scope can be eliminated.
ReplyDeleteAs Res said, a rifle is for offense, not defense. Not good in an urban environment as a rifle round will go through the wall, through the neighbors house, and kill someone two houses over.
Nate's Recommendations:
ReplyDeleteStay away from the Remington 870. Fit and finish have gone to shit. Get the mossberg 500 or the chinese one Luke linked. Its significantly nicer than the remington.
Rifles are offensive weapons. If you're really looking for defense I would get a handgun. I recommend a DA/SA with a decocker or a wheelgun in .357 mag. For home defense.. the taurus pt100 or pt101 in .40 is really hard to beat. Its not what folks want for Concealed Carry.. but its big, heavy, reliable, and you can hit someone with it and probably kill them. I don't mean shoot. I mean actually hit them with it.. and it will probably kill them. its that heavy.
I love Res' lever gun recommendations. I have a winchester 64 in .44 mag. Its a model 94AE. Sweet... Handy. Downright useful.
If you can find an SU-16c... buy that. You can still get them relatively cheap.
Also... you can't go wrong with a Vepr.
http://centerfiresystems.com/AKAGUN-VEPR-54R-16IS.aspx
There ya go. That vepr... and a mossberg shotty. You're covered well for well under 1500 bucks.
Thanks for all the recommendations. I wanted to eliminate hours of googling trying to figure out what to get. I will be getting either the Hawk 982 or Mossberg500, a levergun and a handgun.
ReplyDeleteOne final question and I'll leave ya'll alone: My brother has a SIG Sauer 1911 he would probably sell me. Good gun?
"Good gun?"
ReplyDeleteYes. If he's offering it to you at a discount, buy it.
I like my Sig and I've not meet anyone who had one of their guys who was unhappy with it.
"guys"=guns
ReplyDeletethe sig 1911 is fantastic. Drill with it. learn it. Love it.
ReplyDeleteThis little pistol has a lot of style. And it really was made in the teens of last century?
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to read what you have to say about this gun. How come modern pistols don't look this stylish? They just look so spare and kind of chunky/boxy.
I just keep thinking that there is a BIG catch here, since I like this gun. Yes, I read the post, but you are a tricky little devil.
"And it really was made in the teens of last century?"
ReplyDeleteYes and they are great.
Call me a Heretic. Call me an infidel. Call me uninformed. Call me ignorant.
ReplyDeleteScotch, Whiskey, Bourbon, I know there are legal definitions for how long they need to age in barrels and such but I never appreciated the difference.
A few weeks ago, on my wife's birthday I took her and her twin out, we hit a few bars and the best drink I had a Kentucky Sour. It was made with bourbon. I still want to go back for more.
At home I usually keep between 0-1 bottles of hootch. Yesterday morning it was Glenlivet, a fine Scotch and on my way home I added a bottle of Makers Mark 46 to the collection.
My reasoning, I was going to make the comparison easy, since I fully expected 1 to outshine the other.
Call me a heathen, call me a Yankee, but other than the 46 being sweeter, I failed to see much of a difference.
I think I'll stand on being agnostic on this topic.
There are two things you should've noticed right off the bat.
ReplyDelete1) the 46 doesn't taste like dirt.
2) the Glenlivet doesn't taste like carmel.
And it really was made in the teens of last century?
ReplyDeleteThe 1911 model was adopted in 1911. But they have been made continuously ever since. If you are talking about a stylish gun, it is probably a lot newer.
She's talking about the 1907 Savage in the advertisement.
ReplyDeleteThe features are quite amazing with this size. Thanks for sharing.
ReplyDeletethis is truly a goo pistol, I like this pistol
ReplyDeleteThis will come in handy especially in the area where i live, thanks for sharing !
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