Friday, August 07, 2015

Yes... There is a Show tonight

Blah Blah Blah... Here's the link sorry man... feelin' a little meh... A: Wild Turkey Silver Anniversary. (not worth the money.) T: Gurkha overuns... some sort.. CI special. Yummy F: S&W 640 with Crimson Trace Here's the call in number (646) 668-2515

29 comments:

Bill said...

Yeah, speaking of "not coming out for a while".
What!? Donald Trump is a liberal?! Just because he's for gun control, national health care, blah blah, and donated to CLINTON!

James Parliament said...

Missed it due to helping a friend move furniture.

Nate, do you accept email, or should I leave questions for you in the comments? Misc. questions.

Toothy said...

How is the Silver Anniversary? I've never even seen it for sale.

I do have a bottle of WT Forgiven waiting to be opened, however...

ajw308 (#98) said...

James. Sounds like you own a truck...

cheddaramn said...

update on recoil buffer-

Old dude machinist helped me work out some of the bugs last night...it really pays to work with old dudes that know everything...i tried to send Nate a picture, my effing phone asks for me to install a non-existing card so i can take pictures

cheddarman said...

Right now the buffer is an independent unit sitting on top of the AR-10. no way you could sell something like that, too big, too ugly, too temperamental. It is held in place by two awkward looking U-shaped brackets. I am working with old dude machinist to build the buffer into the AR-10 upper. He has been doing machining for 60+ years and does not even charge me for a lot of stuff. The other day we hung out for about 2 hours tweaking the thing. It is amazing watching a craftsman like that work, IMO. He figured out that the problem with it was I was over tightening everything.

cheddarman said...

After old dude and I get the buffer mechanism built into an Ar-10 upper, I plant to look into patenting it and marketing it somehow. I don't think it makes sense for me to try and start a company to build rifles, I dont know a whole lot about the firearms business. I would like to partner with a smallish sized company, some thing like as an example CMMG (central Missouri machine guns) and sell it that way.

when I get close to submitting a patent, I will send Nate pictures to post.

WaterBoy said...

Do yourself a favor before then, Cheddarman. Take everything you have now, write it all up into a description, with drawings and diagrams near enough to what you have, and take photos. Put all of this into an envelope, and send it to yourself via certified mail, but do not open it. Put it into a safe place (bank safety deposit box is ideal), and keep it in reserve in case it becomes necessary to prove your claim in a patent dispute later.

Given the nature of this particular device, it may not be necessary -- who else might come up with the same idea? But better to be safe than sorry, and you might not end up filing for a patent for some time to come.

James Parliament said...

ajw - I wish I did. Last one died on me.

ajw308 (#98) said...

No show?

SirThermite (VFM #0025) said...

Couldn't catch the show last night because I was at a bonfire on a compound overlooking Port-Au-Prince, but even during my visit here in Haiti it was an ATF Friday:

A: Prestige (decent Haitian lager, sold in Red Stripe-ish bottles)
T: H. Uppmann robusto. Real one with the four letter C-word on the label. JFK's favorite brand, and mighty tasty even to this Gurhka lover.
F: Sawed-off Mossberg Maverick 12-gauge. We may or may not have also pulled out a couple unregistered 9mm's. Local guards firing their shotguns with us seemed to know how to handle them, but didn't appear to have ever used an automatic and I had to teach one about NOT wrapping his left thumb behind the slide.

Good time here in the third world!

Bill said...

Chedderman, ignore Waterboy; if you think you have a Good Idea, spend $1,000 and hire a lawyer to research your patent. Then, you're actually covered. And, $1,000 is the price here in DeeCee, it may be cheaper where you are.

WaterBoy said...

Bill, learn to read. The man already said he isn't ready to file a patent ap; the certified letter is a least-effort measure for little cost until he's ready for the full thing, and fsr better than doing nothing at all.

Toothy said...

"and I had to teach one about NOT wrapping his left thumb behind the slide."

That'll leave a mark...

Bill said...

Waterboy;
He said he wasn't ready to file for a patent. He didn't say he didn't have any money. And I didn't suggest that he file, I suggested that he pay a lawyer to do a quick search. That way he has bullet-proof legal proof that it's his idea (assuming the search comes back negative). At that point, he can pay the fee and get a patent (which can run a few thousand bucks), or just sit on it.

Chedderman, here's how to search the patent database on your own (note that this is easier after you've done it a few times, further note that you can skip around among the video segments)

http://www.uspto.gov/video/cbt/ptrcsearching/

Bill said...

Oh, here's the actual patent search page (forgot to include this);

http://www.uspto.gov/patents-application-process/search-patents

WaterBoy said...

Bill: "That way he has bullet-proof legal proof that it's his idea (assuming the search comes back negative). "

Incorrect. Merely performing a search -- whether paid or not -- does not "prove" that it's his idea, for patent purposes. Generally, it's "first-in wins", but that can be overturned in court -- hence, the need to establish the date of the idea...which a search alone does not provide. That's the purpose of the self-addressed certified mail; the contents provide the proof of concept, and the Post Office provides the date.

If he's got the money to pay for it, he's better off filing a provisional application now, and doing the more in-depth non-provisional application (including the search) within the following 12-month deadline. That serves both functions: establishes a date, and provides a window for getting the full application together.

WaterBoy said...

Well, it turns out both Bill and I are wrong...as of March 16, 2013, the US converted from a "first-to-invent" to a "first-to file" system. Proving you were the first to come up with the idea is no longer applicable -- you must actually be the first to file for it. Neither my advice for the certified letter nor Bill's advice for doing a patent search will protect you.

My apologies, Cheddarman, for offering outdated information. Best thing to do now is to skip the mail, skip the search, and file the provisional application (about $70 for the basic filing, if you do it yourself electronically). You can get post-facto legal assistance with the prior art search and the rest of the application after that if you need it, but as far as protecting your idea, getting the application in first is the only thing that matters, now.

This might offer you some more guidance.

Bill said...

Thanks for the update, Waterboy!
And, Cheddarman, sorry for the mis-info. It's been a long time since I had an idea worth patenting - it was pre-world-wide-web.

WaterBoy said...

No problem...just can't believe I missed that two years ago when I was researching the process for my wife's invention.

Best laid plans, and all that....

cheddarman said...


thanks for the advice

sincerely

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ajw308 (#98) said...

Does Nate have one of these on the end of his Saiga?

cheddarman said...

Last weekend I traveled to Des Moines Iowa as part of a new job I will start in 2.5 weeks. When I was in the Chicago airport last Sunday, I was doing some people watching. I was sitting near a group of older dudes that were giving of kind of an old rocker/spinal tap vibe. It was obvious they were in a band and traveling to a gig. I went over and introduced myself to one of the band members, who looked a little bit like Rod Stewart. Turns out it was “wild” Mick Brown from Dokken. He was a friendly enough guy, told me they were going to play the Iowa state fair. That was a blast from the past, as I had seen them on M-TV years ago.


The best part of my trip was Tuesday in the Des Moines airport. I sat down about 15-20 feet from a guy that was kind of short, non descript, in his 30’s. The non-desript guy started talking to a professional airline pilot or co-pilot who was going to change out with a crew member on an incoming flight. He told a story about how he was a U.S. Army Ranger on a mission during the 2nd Gulf War. He and his team got inserted behind enemy lines, got into a fire fight, and everyone got shot except for him and one of the guys in his unit. They made it to the extraction point, and the pilot of the black hawk got shot after landing to evacuate them. Black hawks only have one pilot, he said. (black hawks have a pilot and co-pilot or two pilots, i looked it up) He pulled the pilot out of his chair, had the survivor of his unit give first aid, and the mission controllers told him how to fly the Black Hawk. He said he released the parking brake, pushed some buttons and used the “joy stick” to fly the aircraft to safety. I was really trying to not to burst out laughing, so I bit my index finger by the knuckle as I got up and when to the bathroom. When I came back, he was still talking about the mission. I apologize to everyone here, including Nate, for not getting his phone number. It would have been hilarious to have him as a guest on the ATF show. Maybe he could have a regular segment.

Bill said...

I think the "parking brake" comment would have sealed the deal. What did he do with the two gunners? Did you ask what his MOS was?

ajw308 (#98) said...

Don't knock the parking brake. They can be a real life saver when at altitude, but they're hard to use. So hard, only the SF guys are taught about them.

Bill said...

That's true ajw308. I've never flown a Blackhawk, but one time I was in a little bird, flying-nape-of-the-earth, dodging incoming small arms on my way to a medical extract for a SEAL that had gotten shot through the neck during a raid on one of ISIS's second in commands, it was at night, so I was flying using NVG's (that means Night Vision Goggles for you civilians), and I didn't see a cell phone tower because it was the same temperature as the air, right at the last second I noticed that the wires going to the cell tower were just a little hotter than the air so they showed up on the NVG's, I pulled the joystick all the way right to turn, but the chopper was not responsive enough, I probably took a round through a hydraulic line, so I mashed on the emergency brake, it probably saved my life! Yeah, those emergency brakes are awesome!

WaterBoy said...

UH-60L simulator has a parking brake.

Maybe that's what he was flying....

WaterBoy said...

Pilot forgot to set the parking brake?